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briansol · 10-12-2006, 11:28 AM

Also, from that monster link... they give my job description:

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Job Description

Programmer III:

Reviews, analyzes, and modifies programming systems including encoding, testing, debugging and documenting programs. May require a bachelor's degree. Requires 4-6 years of experience in the field or in a related area. Familiar with a variety of the field's concepts, practices, and procedures. Relies on experience and judgment to plan and accomplish goals. Performs a variety of complicated tasks. May lead and direct the work of others. May report directly to a project lead or manager. A wide degree of creativity and latitude is expected.

they have prg 1-5, but i chose 3 as it fell in my salary range (we don't have levels at my place, its me, my boss, and one other guy. technically, i'm "senior developer")

the job description clearly states- college optional, experience counts.

so look into that when going through monster.

same deal with prg 4

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Job Description

Programmer IV:

Reviews, analyzes, and modifies programming systems including encoding, testing, debugging and documenting programs. May require a bachelor's degree. Requires 5-8 years of experience in the field or in a related area. Familiar with a variety of the field's concepts, practices, and procedures. Relies on experience and judgment to plan and accomplish goals. Performs a variety of complicated tasks. May lead and direct the work of others. May report directly to a project lead or manager. A wide degree of creativity and latitude is expected.

and even prg 5, rated at 120k+ for my zipcode,

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Programmer V:

Reviews, analyzes, and modifies programming systems including encoding, testing, debugging and documenting programs. May require a bachelor's degree in area of specialty and 8-10 years of experience in the field or in a related area. Familiar with a variety of the field's concepts, practices, and procedures. Relies on extensive experience and judgment to plan and accomplish goals. Performs a variety of tasks. May provide consultation on complex projects and is considered to be the top level contributor/specialist. Typically reports to a manager or head of a unit/department.

its all about the expereince in my field.

I help my boss with the hiring process...

I don't care where they went to school... i barely look at that on a resume.
I want to see URL's, descriptions of projects, scripts, programs, etc along with clients they've worked with.

Some joe q. programmer w/ a masters degree in IT who worked for Bob's Shoes will get much less of a nod then John P. programmer who built lojacks call center app, bellsouth's CRM system, and didn't finish school.

oh wait.... thats me

Ben22 · 10-12-2006, 02:10 PM

I went and met with someone about my test results today (on the personality/gifts thing, not something medical/maternal

), and I wasn't too surprised. It confirmed that I am a "researcher" type and analytical and all that, and suggested engineering #1 on the list. So anyway, I can narrow it down a lot better now that I have these test results and a list of majors/careers to consider. It also indicated that I am a far cry from being cut our for what I am majoring in, which I suspected anyway. So it looks like I will maybe change schools and definitely change majors. I'm glad I took a step back and realized I was making a huge mistake. Hopefully that won't ever happen again lol

Ben22 · 10-12-2006, 02:11 PM

And thanks for the chart man, that's incredible

titan22 · 10-12-2006, 04:04 PM

it takes time and hard work. it is a long, long tunnel, but trust me there is a light in the end.

good luck and keep your head up.

briansol · 10-12-2006, 05:59 PM

and again, thats assuming 5%. You can do WAY better with things besides a generic savings account. 20% some years will be common in some things.

then, there's company-matched IRA contributions (i personally get up to 1500 free per year from my company)... so if i put in 1500, they match that 1500. any more than that, they don't match. but, thats 3 grand a year.... which is more than the 2500 example i gave... but costs you less

10% on 3k a year (1500 to you) for 45 years is 6 Million before taxes and inflation...

add 5% inflation, and 20% taxes, and its 400k. lol

fucking gov't.

but, all those IRA's that you pull out, don't get taxed on your income tax... its pre-tax money. So, you end up paying less in taxes per pay check.

There's money out there.
Just gotta find it.

Ben22 · 10-13-2006, 12:54 AM

I seriously need to take economics or something like that sort next semester, I definitely got none of that from my high school. I think being finiancially aware is crucial to starting a life after high school. I mean, kids regularly graduate from that school, skip college, and about 50% of them work fast food, share an apartment, and charge their credit card through the roof for 5 years before they realized they f*ed up. Or they knock someone up and their finincial future is over. Which is why I steer clear of dating... since last month :P I'm seriously done though, I mean, that is the very thing that has wrecked every generation of my family before me. Raising a family right out of high school (if not while still in high school) and/or paying child support has kept everyone broke and in debt. Not for me. Is that typically what keeps working/middle class people from having extra money? Seems to be pretty common in my circle of friends/family/church (sadly enough).

briansol · 10-13-2006, 02:14 AM

yup. my sister did the same thing. married her high school sweet heart.

she has a teaching degree, and works at a day care 4 hours a day for 8 bucks an hour. her and her husband are poor as hell.. they have a tv from 1980 with bunny ear antennae and 2 daugthers.

hell, my sister still drives the car she got when she was 18 (she didn't work in high school either, so didn't get a car till then)
shes 29 now.
i dropped out, and make 5 times her money, am on my 6th car, and its a bmw.

titan22 · 10-13-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben22

I seriously need to take economics or something like that sort next semester, I definitely got none of that from my high school. I think being finiancially aware is crucial to starting a life after high school. I mean, kids regularly graduate from that school, skip college, and about 50% of them work fast food, share an apartment, and charge their credit card through the roof for 5 years before they realized they f*ed up. Or they knock someone up and their finincial future is over. Which is why I steer clear of dating... since last month :P I'm seriously done though, I mean, that is the very thing that has wrecked every generation of my family before me. Raising a family right out of high school (if not while still in high school) and/or paying child support has kept everyone broke and in debt. Not for me. Is that typically what keeps working/middle class people from having extra money? Seems to be pretty common in my circle of friends/family/church (sadly enough).

you are already ahead of 95% of the people in this country. sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders. i have a good feeling about you making it places.

briansol · 10-13-2006, 11:17 PM

knowledge is power

Ben22 · 10-16-2006, 05:37 PM

Yeah, definitely.

10-12-2006, 02:10 PM	#12
Ben22 Greenhorn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	I went and met with someone about my test results today (on the personality/gifts thing, not something medical/maternal ), and I wasn't too surprised. It confirmed that I am a "researcher" type and analytical and all that, and suggested engineering #1 on the list. So anyway, I can narrow it down a lot better now that I have these test results and a list of majors/careers to consider. It also indicated that I am a far cry from being cut our for what I am majoring in, which I suspected anyway. So it looks like I will maybe change schools and definitely change majors. I'm glad I took a step back and realized I was making a huge mistake. Hopefully that won't ever happen again lol

10-12-2006, 02:11 PM	#13
Ben22 Greenhorn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	And thanks for the chart man, that's incredible

10-12-2006, 04:04 PM	#14
titan22 Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: West Coast Posts: 773 Rep Power: 7	it takes time and hard work. it is a long, long tunnel, but trust me there is a light in the end. good luck and keep your head up.

10-12-2006, 05:59 PM	#15
briansol Savings Advisor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central CT Age: 32 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 7	and again, thats assuming 5%. You can do WAY better with things besides a generic savings account. 20% some years will be common in some things. then, there's company-matched IRA contributions (i personally get up to 1500 free per year from my company)... so if i put in 1500, they match that 1500. any more than that, they don't match. but, thats 3 grand a year.... which is more than the 2500 example i gave... but costs you less 10% on 3k a year (1500 to you) for 45 years is 6 Million before taxes and inflation... add 5% inflation, and 20% taxes, and its 400k. lol fucking gov't. but, all those IRA's that you pull out, don't get taxed on your income tax... its pre-tax money. So, you end up paying less in taxes per pay check. There's money out there. Just gotta find it.

10-13-2006, 12:54 AM	#16
Ben22 Greenhorn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	I seriously need to take economics or something like that sort next semester, I definitely got none of that from my high school. I think being finiancially aware is crucial to starting a life after high school. I mean, kids regularly graduate from that school, skip college, and about 50% of them work fast food, share an apartment, and charge their credit card through the roof for 5 years before they realized they f*ed up. Or they knock someone up and their finincial future is over. Which is why I steer clear of dating... since last month :P I'm seriously done though, I mean, that is the very thing that has wrecked every generation of my family before me. Raising a family right out of high school (if not while still in high school) and/or paying child support has kept everyone broke and in debt. Not for me. Is that typically what keeps working/middle class people from having extra money? Seems to be pretty common in my circle of friends/family/church (sadly enough).

10-13-2006, 02:14 AM	#17
briansol Savings Advisor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central CT Age: 32 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 7	yup. my sister did the same thing. married her high school sweet heart. she has a teaching degree, and works at a day care 4 hours a day for 8 bucks an hour. her and her husband are poor as hell.. they have a tv from 1980 with bunny ear antennae and 2 daugthers. hell, my sister still drives the car she got when she was 18 (she didn't work in high school either, so didn't get a car till then) shes 29 now. i dropped out, and make 5 times her money, am on my 6th car, and its a bmw.

10-13-2006, 11:17 PM	#19
briansol Savings Advisor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central CT Age: 32 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 7	knowledge is power

10-16-2006, 05:37 PM	#20
Ben22 Greenhorn Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, definitely.

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