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Hi Dennis,<br />I am a conservative Christian because I am a thinker first and not a reactionist second. I have first hand experience in seeing what Rudy did for New York City before, on, and after 911. America would be foolish not to elect him. What is needed is educating American voters about the role of the President under the Constitution. <br />First I do not think it is possible to convince or expect someone to vote outside of their values. Expecting some one to vote for a person because the other person is worse is not a solid argument. Who would you elect if your two choices were Hitler and Stalin. Remember that most feel very strongly that abortion is murder. To be honest I am not sure if that campaing stragety is worthy of my vote. Some one like James Dobson who made an open commitment not vote for any Pro Choice government official is lost, unless.....<br />We can educate him and others like him about the role of the President under the Constitution.<br />1st.<br />The last several Pro-life presidents have done very little to limit abortion. Under Bill Clinton, I believe the rate of abortions went down the most.<br />The reason is because the President does not write law he can not nor should not be able to impose his morals or lack of on the American people. He can only veto it. The right would be very animated if a democratic President tried to impose his or her morality on the American public. As an objective thinker I can not be a hypocrite and think that a Republican should be able to do the same. <br />2nd<br />For the last 30 years abortion has been fought in the federal arena and little to no progress has been made. For six years we had a majority in the House and Senate, we had a conservative President and a conservative majority in the Supreme Court and abortion is still legal and still paid for by tax payers. Someone like Rudy supports States rights; infact his position is that states should decide these issues and not the Federal government. You do not get more conservative than that!<br />I personally do not care a great deal about his position on abortion because history has taught me that it matters very little. What matters is how he views the Constitution and his commitment to it. The founders intended the personal values of the President to matter little. He is the commander in Chief and not the legislator in Chief. <br />About Rudy's liberal appointees and &quot;liberal&quot; positions in NY. People who make this argument have no idea just how bad NY was. The Idea that Rudy even wanted the job speaks volumes about his moral character. The fact that he improved the situation beyond imagination speaks volumes about his abilities to lead. <br />Gun control.<br />NY was a mess. Rudy reduced the murders by 900%. He made it safe to walk down the streets. I should know. At that time I was one of the people who was making it unsafe. <br />The Founders intention in framing the constitution was liberty from federal government. Congress is not allowed to infringe on religiosity or lack there of any state. Under the Constitution a particular state could choose to be as religious or not secular as the voters want. With out interference from the federal government. The same is truth applies to most rights protected by the Constitution. The founders in their wisdom gave local governments the right to protect their citizens. When it is necessary or desired by the people to control guns the local government should be able to do so. That is THE HIGHEST of conservative positions not a liberal one.<br />Radios were not Rudy's fault. I think blaming the mayor for personally not testing the radios is absurd. <br />At one point I was a merhcant marine and I had direct contact with my boss. It was never his job to test the equipment he purchased for me it was mine.<br />I believe the 14th amendment is interpeted wrongly as I believe that most judges on the Supreme Court do as well.<br />Not to give Rudy credit for decreased crime rate in NYC and blame him for Firemand radios in the same post is aburdity to the highest degree.<br />

taxhour

Your letter is very well written but flawed. Please keep in mind that this is primary season. All of the candidates are leaning to the right to woo the religious right. Come general election time, we'll see the republican nominee lean very far to the center to attract the moderates. Don't be fooled by Rudy. Abortion is murder, and while he deserves koodos for cleaning up crime in NYC, he did nothing about this murder of babies! Not a good record at all.

wiezly

Eric Rudolph, is that you?

detox

What is a &quot;ogical convsercatives&quot;? I can't answer because I don't know what that is.

Apsdydrr

I would not vote for Rudy because of his close ties with organized crime. Also he had 3 wives! who does he think he is some Arab Kings son or something? How dare we vote for someone who does not value marriage the way the Good Lord intended. How shameful! And his view on abortion and gun control. Man this guy is Commie, and most likely he will result to putting lots of people in camps similar to the Nazi's. I'm sorry I would rather have Bush then this Godless Mafioso!

PapaJoe

This the one issue I agree with the Christian Conservative Right on. America would be foolish to select Rudy Giuliani as their next president. You can send your letter, it may sway some of their opinions, but if anyone liberal or conservative has done their research on Giuliani, they would never even consider him, to be in charge of a fast food chain, let alone the rest of the country.

As a New Yorker I can vouch for the fact that he did more harm then good...

Rudy Giuliani has been embroiled in scandals, his 9/11 record is blotched.. just ask the firefighters that blame him for the defective radios, that he was warned about, which resulted in over 242 deaths...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17869046/

He later claimed that he spend just as much time as workers on ground zero, and didn't offer any kind of sympathy for the fact that they are suffering from illnesses, It was later found that he only spend 29 hours on ground zero, less then the time he spend at Yankee Stadium..

Then he was warned in 1993, after the first world trade center attacks to move the security office from the seventh floor out of the building in case of an emergency.. of course he didn't listen and look at the results..

He won't sign a pledge confirming lower taxes

And New York City?s crime rate being down attributes to police Commissioner Bill Bratton, Rudy had nothing to do with it.. ?Bratton, not Giuliani, was featured on the cover of Time Magazine in 1996.[54] Giuliani forced Bratton out of his position after two years, in what was generally seen as a battle of two large egos in which Giuliani was unable to accept Bratton's celebrity?

His co-chair has been quoted as labeling &quot;blacks retarded,&quot; not to mention that Giuliani's main sponsors have been caught in money fraud, drug/prostitution scandals

Don't forget when Rudy was mayor he was already accused of racial profiling, and not even reading the 9/11 commission report

Contrary to popular belief he does not support gay marriage, only civil unions!

Rudy will privatize social security.

He has been married three times, including once to his cousin, and his own children won't even speak to him, his daughter plans to vote for someone else..

His solution is to the failing public school system is not doing anything at all. He wants to leave the option open for parents to chose public or private schools, but most middle-class Americans, cannot afford to go to private school. Instead of letting the system fail, why not improve it, our tax dollars are already paying for it!

broker

BOOOOO!

Rudy is a fascist liberal/neocon.

&quot;Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do. You have free speech so I can be heard.&quot;
Rudy Giuliani&quot;[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out.&quot;
From an interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S. Conservative Party&quot;Most of Bill Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.&quot; Rudy Giuliani&quot;The main political problem is how to prevent police powers from becoming tyrannical. This is the meaning of all struggles for Liberty.&quot; -Ludwig Von Mises&quot;The true danger is when Liberty is nibbled away, for expedients and by parts.... The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men do nothing.&quot; -Edmund Burke&quot;It is seldom that any Liberty is lost all at once.&quot; -David Hugh&quot;A government big enough to supply you with everything you need is a government big enough to take away everything that you have.... The course of history shows that as the government grows, liberty decreases.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson&quot;Of Liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its existence, is unobstructed action according to our will. But Rightful Liberty is within limits drawn around us by the Equal Rights of others. And I do not add ?within the limits of the law?, because the law is often but the Tyrants-will, and always so when it violates the Rights of an individual.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson


Rick46 - you said &quot;Homeland security&quot; and &quot;national defense&quot; which are one and the same. Defense is a part of conservatism, but it does NOT trump gun control, freedom of speech, abortion, property rights, taxes (Rudy WILL raise taxes - he would have to to make up for all of the RECKLESS SPENDING of this administration and undoubtedly his). He is a big government liberal.

broker

I don't disagree with the basic premise of your letter, but I believe that the Christian right is the most facist, destructive force in our country today. All candidates of both parties should ignore them. Conservatives should focus on small government, not appeasing extremists.

V.Putin

My first reaction is to the last paragraph, which is kinda schizo.&quot;Gun control.
NY was a mess. Rudy reduced the murders by 900%. He made it safe to walk down the streets. I should know. At that time I was one of the people who was making it unsafe.
The Founders intention in framing the constitution was liberty from federal government. Congress is not allowed to infringe on religiosity or lack there of any state. Under the Constitution a particular state could choose to be as religious or not secular as the voters want. With out interference from the federal government. The same is truth applies to most rights protected by the Constitution. The founders in their wisdom gave local governments the right to protect their citizens. When it is necessary or desired by the people to control guns the local government should be able to do so. That is THE HIGHEST of conservative positions not a liberal one.&quot;

You've meshed together a few ideas that are hardly at all related to one another. What do the religion clauses of the First Amendment have to do with gun control -- the Second Amendment? And you were on the right path when you were talking about the fact that the Bill of Rights was originally intended to apply only to the federal goverment, not the states. But the Fourteenth Amendment has been interpreted for several decades now as imposing upon the states all of the rules in the First, Fourth, and Sixth, and almost all of the Fifth and Eighth Amendments. Are you trying to disagree with that interpretation of the Fourteenth and say that states should be allowed, under the Constitution, to violate any right in the Bill of Rights?

Other than that, I certainly agree with you that Presidents do not legislate. And I couldn't care less what James Dobson says and does politically.

taxguru

Me and countless other Conservatives would cut our arms off before we would cast a vote for Giuliani

taxguru

I am a conservative and I could certainly vote for him over Hillary or Obama. I disagree with him on some things, but disagree with Hillary and Obama on almost everything. Rudy is conservative on taxes, national defense, and homeland security. These things I agree with him on. On his abortion beliefs, he is personally against abortion but wishes it to remain legal and he supports the ban on partial birth abortions. Supreme Court appointments are the most important role a president can have on this issue and he said he would appoint judges in the Roberts mold to the court. Anyone who chooses not to vote or vote for a rogue candidate is handing the presidency over to a liberal who wants to raise taxes and cut the military, who is for all form of abortion and will appoint ultra liberals to the court. Rudy becomes a better candidate for conservatives because of the Democratic candidates are farther left than ever before.