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Gainer · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

I am raising it as a philosophic question related to way of life, rather than a business management issue.<br />

fonzy · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

Let's say that results-orientation leads to unscrupulous activity in SOME (but not all) people. Then it would be unfair to cast as undesirable a results-oriented lifestyle for all.

Dani_Garcia · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

your thinking will make your body desirables , and also , your body desirables will make your mind starts thinking. Principles came from the results-orientation unscrupulous peoples desired for to knows the truth of abouts everything , that's , can be imagining by them thinking.

ivory · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

Yes, since these unscrupulous people go beyond the principles laid down by the learned people. They do not follow certain or concrete principles. They are more result-oriented because of an open-type mind not moving around the context of a doctrine or law. In other words, unscrupulous people have the freedom to attain what they want. They have the free desire to achieve or fulfill that wants. They are not bounded by any said doctrines and laws that may limit their desires in achieving a certain human activity. Having these freedom of choice they get what they based on the results they desire.

Thanks for asking. Have a great day!

daren · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

To be result oriented means you are acting efficiently in your own best interest.

To be unscrupulous means you are cheating the social contract for the sake of self interest.

But cheating the social contract breaks down society, which is not in your self interest.

So unscrupulous behavior can hardly be considered 'results oriented' if after the scam you find your self surrounded by pissed off neighbors & clients willing to ostricize or kill you.

Good business is good business.

big$saver · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

Both unscrupulous and scrupulous people can be result-oriented but in reality perhaps the unscrupulous ones are more likely to get things done.

Result oriented is certainly desirable but anyone could percieve him/herself as a result oriented person and its important to note that whether or not that the person can actually accomplish something is whole different matter.

Being persistent is just as important as having a result-oriented mind set if by 'result-oriented person' we mean someone who is more suited for acheiving quick and/or short-term results.

hope this makes sense.

BigInvestor · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

No, to think that unscrupulous people are more result-oriented than the principled ones would mean that to be successful, one should only bear in mind the ends rather than worrying about the means. It is only that unscrupulous people seem to a majority of people to be more successful as they don't have to expend their energies on the points of principles. On the other hand, the principled ones are worried about the morality of every step they take.
The remedy lies in changing the perception of success and failure in the minds of a majority of people. This way we can ensure the results as well as adherence to principles in the world.

BOB+ · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

the story of "Means to an End"... Is it right to use any means for attaining a specific end? Well just like every other annoying thing in life, it's debatable. I guess you need to strike a balance between principles and the limit of how far you'd go to reach an end.

Luca · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

Again, Small, that's a silly, if not stupid, question.

Of course criminals wanted short cuts because it's the desirable thing to do!

Unscrupulous is just a word you want to make to sound hifalutin and deep-sounding when it ain't. We lowlier people than you want to be can interpret your question: Can we imitate a robber or a thief or a carnaper because what they get is easy money?

That's not a philosophical question.

Go deeper than that, dude. Next question, please.

Now I got a thumbs down.

Doing so is not a sign of intelligence.

We leave it to the people out there worldwide more intelligent than the people here who thumb down answers subjectively more than objectively.

micah · 10-31-2007, 01:39 PM

it is true what you say. unscrupulous people just want the job done so as to prove they are competent, get an easy way out,
earn riches. any or other reasons as above.

however, principle people see that the importance of not breaking the principles far outweigh the benefits of being unscrupulous. they act this way either by a guiding philosophy or they were just well raised and have a strong conscience.

being result oriented is desirable but not at " any cost".
this is a personal reflection.

example: cheat in school and get good grades but in college u lack the base and suffer.

however, there are counter examples which unscrupulous people will bring up which are sensible and breaking the principle does not seem like a very bad unforgiveable act.

i guess that even among conscientous people, there are those who draw a fine line of never breaking their principles and those who believe that a little flexibility is desired to prosper or even survive in the world.

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#1
Gainer Greenhorn Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? I am raising it as a philosophic question related to way of life, rather than a business management issue.<br />

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#2
fonzy Greenhorn Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? Let's say that results-orientation leads to unscrupulous activity in SOME (but not all) people. Then it would be unfair to cast as undesirable a results-oriented lifestyle for all.

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#3
Dani_Garcia Greenhorn Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 21 Rep Power: 6	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? your thinking will make your body desirables , and also , your body desirables will make your mind starts thinking. Principles came from the results-orientation unscrupulous peoples desired for to knows the truth of abouts everything , that's , can be imagining by them thinking.

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ivory Greenhorn Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? Yes, since these unscrupulous people go beyond the principles laid down by the learned people. They do not follow certain or concrete principles. They are more result-oriented because of an open-type mind not moving around the context of a doctrine or law. In other words, unscrupulous people have the freedom to attain what they want. They have the free desire to achieve or fulfill that wants. They are not bounded by any said doctrines and laws that may limit their desires in achieving a certain human activity. Having these freedom of choice they get what they based on the results they desire. Thanks for asking. Have a great day!

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#5
daren Greenhorn Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 6	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? To be result oriented means you are acting efficiently in your own best interest. To be unscrupulous means you are cheating the social contract for the sake of self interest. But cheating the social contract breaks down society, which is not in your self interest. So unscrupulous behavior can hardly be considered 'results oriented' if after the scam you find your self surrounded by pissed off neighbors & clients willing to ostricize or kill you. Good business is good business.

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#6
big$saver Piggy Bank Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 59 Rep Power: 6	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? Both unscrupulous and scrupulous people can be result-oriented but in reality perhaps the unscrupulous ones are more likely to get things done. Result oriented is certainly desirable but anyone could percieve him/herself as a result oriented person and its important to note that whether or not that the person can actually accomplish something is whole different matter. Being persistent is just as important as having a result-oriented mind set if by 'result-oriented person' we mean someone who is more suited for acheiving quick and/or short-term results. hope this makes sense.

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#7
BigInvestor Greenhorn Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? No, to think that unscrupulous people are more result-oriented than the principled ones would mean that to be successful, one should only bear in mind the ends rather than worrying about the means. It is only that unscrupulous people seem to a majority of people to be more successful as they don't have to expend their energies on the points of principles. On the other hand, the principled ones are worried about the morality of every step they take. The remedy lies in changing the perception of success and failure in the minds of a majority of people. This way we can ensure the results as well as adherence to principles in the world.

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#8
BOB+ Piggy Bank Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 6	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? the story of "Means to an End"... Is it right to use any means for attaining a specific end? Well just like every other annoying thing in life, it's debatable. I guess you need to strike a balance between principles and the limit of how far you'd go to reach an end.

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#9
Luca Greenhorn Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 6	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? Again, Small, that's a silly, if not stupid, question. Of course criminals wanted short cuts because it's the desirable thing to do! Unscrupulous is just a word you want to make to sound hifalutin and deep-sounding when it ain't. We lowlier people than you want to be can interpret your question: Can we imitate a robber or a thief or a carnaper because what they get is easy money? That's not a philosophical question. Go deeper than that, dude. Next question, please. Now I got a thumbs down. Doing so is not a sign of intelligence. We leave it to the people out there worldwide more intelligent than the people here who thumb down answers subjectively more than objectively.

10-31-2007, 01:39 PM	#10
micah Greenhorn Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Are unscrupulous people more result-oriented than the principled ones? If so, is result-orientation desirable? it is true what you say. unscrupulous people just want the job done so as to prove they are competent, get an easy way out, earn riches. any or other reasons as above. however, principle people see that the importance of not breaking the principles far outweigh the benefits of being unscrupulous. they act this way either by a guiding philosophy or they were just well raised and have a strong conscience. being result oriented is desirable but not at " any cost". this is a personal reflection. example: cheat in school and get good grades but in college u lack the base and suffer. however, there are counter examples which unscrupulous people will bring up which are sensible and breaking the principle does not seem like a very bad unforgiveable act. i guess that even among conscientous people, there are those who draw a fine line of never breaking their principles and those who believe that a little flexibility is desired to prosper or even survive in the world.

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